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Feb. 4th, 2007 @ 11:33 pm Since all the cool kids are talking about it.....
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I am probably going to get alot of angry people commenting here but....Ok so alot of people have been talking about Bear411 and how much they hate it and that they have been switching over to Bearciti . Now, I have used 411 for awhile, and I have met alot of really really great guys on there, and there are alot of my friends on there as well. I have not experienced the censoring that other people have, and I have seen other guys on there that have profiles and are not exactly "bears". I mean let's face it, i'm really not that much of a bear myself, but I still got a profile on there. None of that is to discount other guys experiences, or to say that they are wrong about 411. I completely agree that censoring Im's and not giving people a chance to post a profile cause you don't deem them "bear enough" is VERY wrong. And I would hope that Greg realizes that it is, because 411 is really a good site for meeting some very interesting and nice guys! As far as Citi is concerned, I think it's too new to really attract alot of people, let's face it EVERYONE is on 411. Everytime I go on Citi, no matter what time it is, there is NOBODY online. Another thing I don't ike is the fact that they don't allow ANY nudity in your pics, they also don't allow an pics with sex, sexual situations, or pics with you touching your dick. Now, that's cool if a guy doesn't want to attract that kind of attention, but what if you do?? It's censorship......pure and simple. I do like the options they give you for your interests, and amount of options. So you can REALLY narrow down what kind of you are looking for. Whichever site you use, they both have their merits and they both have their problems. Just give both a chance and see where you feel more comfortable.
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From:[info]dmlaenker
Date: February 5th, 2007 06:51 am (UTC)
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Do you know where I can find bear411's terms of service?
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From:[info]jcruisedirector
Date: February 5th, 2007 09:00 am (UTC)
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No I don't. Even with still having an active profile I cannot find it. Not even in any of the emails they sent me from the webmaster. Isn't it somehow illegal not to have a TOS? Closest thing to it I could find is an "e-support" link when I sign in.
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From:[info]dmlaenker
Date: February 6th, 2007 06:42 am (UTC)
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I assume it's illegal not to have a TOS, which would be hilarious if he tries to pursue legal action against, say, bear411sucks.com.

Not that they'd have grounds for defamation - everything that site says is pretty much true.
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From:[info]sqrlcub
Date: February 5th, 2007 03:06 pm (UTC)
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I specifically was told that I wasn't bear enough to join bear411 with a nasty reject letter from the guy that runs the site. It's his site and he can do what he wants but it was still pretty jerkfaced of him.
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From:[info]jcruisedirector
Date: February 5th, 2007 03:11 pm (UTC)
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Day-um honey, that's harsh. I am really sorry that hapened. That does sound REALLY jerkfaced. I'm just confused, how is it that I am bear enough but you aren't??? Not a great way to run a wwebsite.
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From:[info]sqrlcub
Date: February 5th, 2007 03:27 pm (UTC)
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I wouldn't go back to it. I was incensed at first but then I just thought it was funny.
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Date: February 15th, 2007 04:42 am (UTC)
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Our site does allow nudity but not on the MAIN pic. We based that policy on the survey results we got when we designed the site.

As far at us not being able to publish any pics with "sex, sexual situations, or pics with you touching your dick". I am the first to agree with you. Unfortunately we are a US company governed by US laws and last year US Congress passed stricter laws. As much as I would like to do what your asking I am required to "keep it clean".

Fell free to contact me if you need any help or further info on BearCiti.com
We welcome all suggestions and ideas to make our site better.

David
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BearCiti.com
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From:[info]beefquest
Date: February 15th, 2007 04:45 am (UTC)
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Sorry you guys forgot to log in when I posted this message. My user ID on here and on BearCiti is beefquest
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From:[info]jcruisedirector
Date: February 22nd, 2007 06:39 am (UTC)

Got your email

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Hey there,
I got your email about my post, thanks SO very much for answering my questions/concerns. I was VERY impressed because that doesn't happen with ANY other website I have ever seen, that a webmaster is good enough to answer someones questions so directly and quicky. So, thanks again!
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From:[info]beefquest
Date: February 22nd, 2007 02:24 pm (UTC)

Re: Got your email

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My pleasure. :)
From:(Anonymous)
Date: February 18th, 2007 11:02 am (UTC)
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Just for the record, let's clear up what the word 'censorship' means. Let's say you have a nude pic you want to post on the internet. And please do, you're cute, I know I'd like to see it. But you run into a few websites that don't allow you to post that nude pic of yourself. Are you being censored? No, you're not. Because there are other sites that will allow you to post that pic. Your freedom of expression hasn't been curtailed, you still have other options. Now, if there isn't a single website in existence that will allow you to post that picture, and a government prevents you from trying to create your own website to post that picture, and every other form of media attempts to prevent you from sharing that picture and your freedom in general is in danger, ie jail time for attempting to disseminate that picture, then yes, you are being censored.

A privately owned website that enforces their own standards and rules is not censorship.

Sorry for the diatribe but that's a word that gets bandied about far too often.
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From:[info]jcruisedirector
Date: February 22nd, 2007 06:44 am (UTC)
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Ok,
Maybe I'm not really "up to speed" on the use of the word "censorship"....just what it felt like at the time. I didn't know there was federal regulations with all that stuff at the time, now I do. Maybe it makes me look like a friggin idiot, but I'm kinda dense with all that stuff.